Jeg ble kjent med en polsk nynazist

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Jeg ble sint, men bestemte meg for å ikke dømme. Det viste seg å være en interessant måte å komme nærmere folk på.

Ingvar Kolbjørnsen
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Jeg står på holdeplassen og venter på bussen til Harstad/Narvik-flyplass. En fyr kommer sjanglende bort til meg.

Fyren: Is this the bus for the airport?

Jeg: Yes. Are you going on the same plane as me?

Fyren: The bus was supposed to be here in five minutes, yes?

Jeg: No, it will be here in 15.

Fyren slenger fra seg en ølboks. Han tar opp en pakke sigaretter og byr meg. Deretter presenterer han seg som Bendek. Han er fra Polen, og har vært i Norge og jobba på skipsverft. Han savner familien. Kona og sønnen bor hjemme i Polen, og han jobber mye i utlandet.

Bendek: I worked here for four weeks, then I had enough, so I told the boss that I had enough.

Jeg: What do you think of Lofoten?

Bendek: I haven’t seen so much of it. But I like it. I have been working 13 hours a day for four weeks.

Jeg: Wow, that’s a lot. What about weekends?

Bendek: No weekends. 13 hours a day seven days a week. 96 hours a week.

Jeg: Shit. I hope the pay is good.

Bendek: Yes, very good. So I told my boss that I had enough.

Jeg: That’s our bus!

Vi går på bussen. Han setter seg et sete foran meg, og sovner momentant. Jeg lytter til en lydbok til vi kommer frem. På flyplassen forsvinner han fort i mengden. Jeg sjekker inn, går gjennom sikkerhetskontrollen og kjøper meg en øl. Det er et par timer til flyet skal gå.

Etter noen minutter setter han seg ned ved bordet mitt med to øl, den ene er til meg, så nå har jeg to.

Bendek: I want to ask you about something.

Jeg: Go ahead!

Bendek: What do you think of Breivik?

Jeg: Wow, that’s straight forward. Why do you ask?

Bendek: We talked a lot about it at the shipyard. What do you think?

Jeg: Well, I think that most people agree that killing people is wrong.

Bendek: Yes, of course. I totally agree. But in the shipyard, they were saying that his actions were not good, but, you know, what he meant was somehow right. You know, about the Muslims.

Jeg: Well, you asked me what I think, and I totally disagree. I don’t see Muslims as a bigger problem than for example the Polish people. I think people should be friends.

Bendek: Yes, I think you are right, we should be friends, but isn’t it a problem with all the Muslims? The people in the shipyard were saying that a lot.

Jeg: I don’t think the Muslims are bad. I don’t think any group of people are bad.

Bendek: I know you say so in Norway, that is up to you to decide. It’s different in Poland, though.

Jeg: Oh yeah?

Bendek: Yes, for example we don’t like gay people. What do you think about gay people?

Jeg: I don’t have anything against gay people.

Bendek: Well, that’s ok. You can do what you want to in Norway. We Polish people don’t like gay people.

Jeg: What’s the problem with gays?

Bendek: Well, it’s wrong. If I see gay people on the street I might kick them.

Jeg: What, why?

Bendek: It’s wrong. I don’t want my son to see them.

Jeg: Why not? Is it because you don’t want him to be gay? Do you think not knowing will not make him gay when he grows up?

Bendek: I don’t have a problem with him knowing. I will tell him when he is old enough. I just don’t want him to see them on the street. It is different in Norway. Here you think it is ok.

Jeg: But what if he ends up gay himself?

Bendek: Then I would kick him out.

Jeg: Seriously? Don’t you love your son?

Bendek: Yes I do!

Jeg: Then why would it matter? Should you not accept him for what he is?

Bendek: Maybe. Well I don’t know what I would do. But I don’t want gay people to be open about it. They can be gay as long as they don’t show it.

Jeg har allerede drukket min øl, og gitt ham en del av den han kjøpte til meg. Han drikker fortere enn meg og er gira på mer.

Bendek: Will you have another one?

Jeg: No, thank you.

Bendek: Come on!

Jeg: It’s not so good for my stomach. It’s weak.

Bendek: Just one more.

Jeg: Ok.

Bendek: Your turn to buy!

Jeg går og kjøper en øl. Jeg gir den til ham. Han heller halve over i mitt glass og ber meg drikke.

Bendek: I’m going to Honefass.

Jeg: You mean Hønefoss?

Bendek: Yes, there. I will visit a Polish friend. We will drink and go have some women. You should come with me.

Jeg: I’m also meeting a friend, so not this time.

Bendek: Well, that’s too bad.

Han gir meg telefonnummeret sitt og sier at hvis jeg noen gang kommer til Polen så skal jeg få bo hos ham og jeg kan låne bilen hans når som helst.

Bendek: So you don’t like Breivik.

Jeg: No, I don’t think his ideas are worth any of my time.

Bendek: But he says something true about the Muslims. At least they should stay where they are. That’s what the people in the shipyard say.

Jeg: I don’t agree. Muslims is not worse than Polish people. Or Norwegians. I have some friends who are saying that Polish people should go home too.

Bendek: Yes, I know they exist. I don’t mind them.

Jeg: So you don’t think it’s bad when they talk shit about Polish people? They say you take our work.

Bendek: But you know, you Norwegians don’t want the toughest work.

Jeg: Well, that’s often true, at least for some of us.

Bendek: We´ll do the work. It’s better pay here than home.

Jeg: Isn’t that the same for everyone that comes to other countries?

Bendek: Yes, but my friends at the shipyard say that the Muslims, the Jews and other people who are not coming from Europe is not here to work, but just to live on the work of the rest of us.

Jeg: I don’t think so. I know many people that are not from Europe, and most of them work, and those who don’t want to work.

Bendek: Well, that’s your way of thinking.

Jeg: I think we have to go to the plane now.

 

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2 Comments on Jeg ble kjent med en polsk nynazist

  1. 1pling // at // Reply

    Interessant møte.
    Men overskriften synes jeg du skal være litt mer forsiktig med dersom du ikke vet noe mer enn det denne samtalen viste. Det ER forskjell på det å være islamofob og homofob og på det å være nynazist.

    • Ingvar KolbjørnsenIngvar Kolbjørnsen // at // Reply

      Du har et poeng, men den gruppa han var med i på facebook var en nynazistisk gruppe. Men jeg husker ikke hva den heter.

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